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Special BAPCA local group meeting July 23rd 2017


Hi Everyone,


The information below comes from Anne Power who is hoping to get some people together for this meeting, which should be really interesting for anyone interested in the PCA. IF you would like further details please email Anne: [email protected].coop


This is a special appeal for a good turn out to meet Ayako Ito from Japan who got hold of an old message about the BAPCA Sunday group in Chorlton cum Hardy  (M21 9PH) which used to include a shared lunch.

Please try and support this and bring a spot of lunch to share and maybe appropriate friends.  Just let me know so that I can be ready with enough chairs.


Let's say arrive from 11 to 11.30


36 Manchester Road, Chorlton M21 9PH is next door to Village Dry Cleaners, opposite Wetherspoons pub, on 86 bus route.  85 stops near too.  Chorlton tram stop not far.  Car park across the road.


The information abotu Ayako Ito is below:

I am an associate professor  of Ochanomizu University in Tokyo, and teach PCA in clinical psychology course, also, work for a day in a week as a public junior high school counselor. 

Fortunately, there will be a chance for me to visit Manchester during 17-23 July for attending International School Psychology Association at Manchester University and Manchester city University.  

It is a big help for me if I can meet someone who works as a school counselor, children/adolescent mental health worker, school counselor educator, or teachers, especially PCA orientation. 

Sorry for my weak English writing skills..
Thank you very much for your consideration.

Ayako Ito

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The AGM and getting to it

Hi all, 

As you may know, we have arranged for the AGM (which would have been part of the conference and is now a standalone event at Harper dams University) to be part of a wider day of community, with the possibility of staying over on Friday and Saturday night. We are trying to make this as accessible as possible, so that people don't have to do the whole thing on one day (which can be exhausting). This AGM is important to us all (not just the trustees) and we would like as many people as possible to be involved. Often people feel that things happen as a result of the AGM, which, when not attached to a conference, is not always well-attended. This is our attempt to try and change this.

Whether this is your first AGM or your 30th, or whether you have been a member one day (hello newest member!) or since the beginning, you are welcome to come. You do not need to be a member to attend. The person-centered approach is wider than BAPCA, and new and old voices are always welcome.

We have introduced a liftshare. So far people have offered lifts from places such as London, Milton Keynes and Nottingham, and there are other people who would like lifts from South london and further north. This means there are several people coming through the midlands, so it should be possible to arrange lifts for midlands people without too much issue, even if there are more difficulties for those outside of the midlands. BUT - the more people who offer, the more we can help. Please have a think about whether you could car share. Positives include the possibility of arranging to split petrol costs, and a lovely car-sharer for your journey, plus a good feeling that you've helped someone else to attend where they couldn't otherwise! You don't need to be a BAPCA member to take part in the liftshare. All welcome :)


Please click the link to put your name down. LJ is co-ordinating, and if a lift-wanter matches the lift-giver, they will email the lift-giver to check they are ok to give a lift to that person. You can let LJ know that the lift-wanter is a mortal enemy at that point should you wish, and LJ will attempt to find that person a new lift (and will not share this). I understand that people want to be comfortable in their cars, and in other people's cars and it's not my intent to foster a difficult atmosphere. On the other hand, should you feel this might be the perfect way to 'hash things out', well- please feel free to accept that person and make arrangements with them.

If you have any queries, email LJ and they will answer anything they can


Community Day


Saturday 19th August

This will take place at Harper Adams University (HAU), lunch and refreshments will be provided.

For those wishing to travel the night before B&B accommodation has been reserved at HAU for Friday and/or Saturday nights (£54 per person per night) – the whole day has been booked at HAU, so that there will be plenty of time for encounter and debate.  


Please book directly with the office at HAU: tel. 01952 815324; email: [email protected]

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Coventry encounter

BAPCA are pleased to announce their second regional encounter group on 30th September.


It will be hosted at Coventry again (if you would like us to host one in an area near to you and can suggest a suitable location, please email LJ with your suggestions. They will be glad to look into other locations across the UK).


The first encounter group was held in February, with a mixure of counsellors, trainees, and people who are person-centered or interested in the approach but who are not working in counselling. We had a mixture of BAPCA members and non-members there, and the day was a delight. Several of us found it very moving to be part of.

Some comments from those who came:


"I was pleasantly surprised at how welcoming everyone was; not just our host LJ, but other folks who had been to these days before. The atmosphere was informal - there was no agenda - but the conversation just flowed. The level of sharing made me feel as though more than a few of us found it incredibly valuable. Emotional at times, which goes to show the depth at which we were able to share. Not a bad achievement for a single day! It's not a therapy session of course, but there were some insights which gave me real clarity on things and I felt lifted as I walked to the train station."

"Each attendee was open to discuss and to express their past and present feelings, which opened deeper emotions in the room. I felt very much accepted as a black Caribbean woman and not restricted to be myself. Even if before the encounter session started, I connected with some of the attendees, which made me realised how powerful the group was, and the trust was establish to open up."


"Nevertheless, I felt sad when saying ‘”goodbye” to them all, as it felt like a special reunion convention, and I may not going to see them for a very long time. ‘Amazing’ was the word I have used before, I can confirm that the time I’ve had was ‘fabulous’, and I did not want it to end.

I would like to share something with trainees like me, and this could also help an anxious person coming to attend those events: “Be yourself, and you are going to be ok”.

This is the perfect opportunity to learn, to grow in the process of finding yourself."


If this is of interest and you would like to attend, please click this link to sign up and/or get more information, or email LJ with your questions. We have a number of bursaries available for both BAPCA members and non-members, with no special conditions to fill (you just have to ask for it!)


I hope that we can make the second Coventry encounter better than the first (and that was pretty good!)

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Finding a placement, a guide for trainees

'Applying for a placement' - a guide (from a placement provider) in 15ish easy steps.

I (LJ) wrote this for the person-centered trainees group on facebook (with some helpful suggestions from members there), but it occurred to me that it might be useful for people outside of facebook so I'm reposting it here.

* congratulations on getting on your course! So you need a placement? Find out (if possible) when you will be needing to start a placement. On an 18 month diploma/2year foundation degree you will (can) probably start placement in about 3 months. On a 3/4/5 year foundation degree/ba-bsc or ma/msc you probably won't start for a year. If you're on a shorter course, you will need to start looking for potential placements asap.

* Work out how many hours you can do a week and plan for that. On a BACP-level course you will be looking at 100-150 hours over 18months-three years. On a UKCP course you will be looking at 450 hours over three years. The commitment variation is vast (and if you're on a UKCP course you will also have to factor in 40 hours of personal therapy per year, and also a fairly high supervision ratio).

* Find out what the limitations are on placements. Some courses allow you to set up your own placement (so you would approach an interested organisation and offer to run a counselling service - more likely in independent institutions offering courses at degree level) and some won't.

* Scope out possible placements in your area by searching online for 'charity counselling' and your nearest town/city. Also look for private counselling services- you can get a placement in an organisation that isn't a charity.

* Check out if your preferred service has an application deadline. Some have only two intakes a year- others are ongoing. Try and get the application deadline that is several weeks before you want to start SEEING clients, not the one that's at the time you want to start (paperwork can take months)

* Find out if your preferred service wants you do to training in advance and plan that in to your application process.

* Expect the process (from interview to start) to take up to 3 months, possibly more.

* Find out when the service would like you to apply (I can't hold a place open for someone for six months when anything might change, but other services like to plan well in advance). Tell them when you apply, when you would like to start.

* See if your counselling service offers any training or any open days etc. Go along. Meet people. (My service offers training. Whilst someone coming to training isn't guaranteed a placement, we know you by the time you apply for a counsellor placement and would probably look more favourably on you).

* Find out whether all of the client group will count towards your hours. Some institutions only let you count hours with over 18s, and some placements start with children. You may be able to count a percentage of your hours or none.

* Find out whether the placement can meet your hours-based requirements. If they have no waiting list and/or no regular referrals you may find you struggle for hours.

* Find out if you will need a counselling organisation membership (BACP/UKCP/NCS etc), or whether the placement has a membership you will be covered under.

* Find out if your placement offers in-house supervision. If not, try and have a supervisor in place before you go to interview.

* Find out how stable the client base is. Some places have very chaotic clients with a high rate of DNAs. Others have very low rates of DNA. Plan this into your hours needed and consider taking a second placement.

* If you want to take a second placement, find out how many hours your training will let you do in a week, and how many your placements want you to do. Be upfront with your placements. If your insitution lets you do five hours and both placements want you to do three hours, let a placement know. Alternatively, discuss with your institution that one place has a high DNA rate and would it be acceptable to do three hours at each placement

* When choosing a supervisor, they are there to work for you. Interview them. Make sure you see more than one, even if you go back to the first one.

* When applying, read up on the specialist areas. Don't expect your person-centeredness to carry you through. Rogers called for cultural competency and so will counselling organisations.

* Find out what hours you can go on placement. If you need evening and they don't do evening, you needn't waste your time applying (or their time reading). Find out whether you would be lone working or not (and if so, if your training course is ok with that).

* If you get an interview, go in smart casual or formal. Don't ask your interviewer, but make up your own mind and dress as well as you can.

* Do not turn up too early. Check if your placement has a waiting room (my service does not and it says so on the website. People who turn up ten minutes early immediately give me a bad time-management impression).

* In the interview, be prepared to be reflexive. My service is unusual in asking applicants to do a 30 minute triad. After the triad we ask the applicant to tell us what went well and less well. If the applicant can't self-reflect, we won't take them. More standard interviews will also ask you to self-reflect however, so do that.

* If the supervision is in-house, make sure you know what ratio of supervision your course requires and ask if the placement can meet that.

* Ask who does the assessments for you. Find out if there is scope to do your own assessments whilst still in training. If you can do this at any point with the support of your course and your placement it's valuable experience

* If you are offered a placement, congratulations. Make sure you get all the necessary paperwork organised as soon as you can :)

Other placements may differ, of course - feel free to tweet us your tips and questions 

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Conference update - important

Dear all,


It is with sad hearts that this blog comes to you. At the meeting of the CG/trustees on Saturday, we took the decision to cancel this year's conference. It's not a decision we made lightly.


The decision was made because our numbers for booking this year were much lower than in previous years, and had we gone ahead with the conference with the projected number of people we have, we would incur a massive financial loss. As trustees of a charity, we have a legal responsibility not to be irresponsible with the money that BAPCA holds, and we felt that we could not justify the amount of money that it would have cost for the conference to go ahead.


I'm sure that some of you will be very sad about this, as are we. I (LJ) was looking forward to joining the larger BAPCA (and otherwise person-centered) community again for the weekend and seeing those I don't otherwise get to see, and many of the trustees feel the same way. Others of you may be worried that this is the end for BAPCA. 


We don't feel this is the end for BAPCA. Or, at least, we hope this is not the end for BAPCA. We (all - trustees, BAPCA members, interested non-members) have been saying for a while that BAPCA needs to change. We have been hoping to start this process by changing our constitution. This will write in (amongst other things) a dynamically changing trustee membership - one of the comments raised in the past is that it is the same people doing the same things. With the new constitution this *cannot* happen - we have written in maximum terms that will ensure a turnover of people. There are other changes as well, and members have again recently been invited to look over the constitution document and give comments.


On a practical level, we are moving to new things also. We held an encounter day in Coventry in February, which was much enjoyed by those who came. We worked hard to make this accessible in terms of practicalities - the venue is a mile from the train station, has a hearing loop and a Stannah stair lift/wheelchair at the top, and financially - we ran a number of bursaries, including travel for both members and non-members. We are hoping to book another date for the end of September also - please keep your ears to the ground.


There will also be another encounter day organised more towards Birmingham - dates yet to be finalised there, and we would welcome anyone who wanted to suggest a suitable venue (contact [email protected]uk and they will get back to you). People would like to see more local events, and this is what we are trying to create.


We ALSO hope that this won't be the last of our conferences. At the AGM we hope to look at these things, and it is clear that we need some re-thinks. It might be that the conference format needs to change, or the pricing format needs to change (or both). It might be that there are completely different changes that need to happen, and we are open to hearing them all. 


Right now, we would like BAPCA to continue. We need your help. If you want to stand to be on the CG/trustees, you need to be a member, and the commitment is one skype meeting a month of two hours, and one all-day meeting once a quarter. If you can't travel, it is possible to skype in for some/all of it, so you needn't miss out that way. Other than that, the commitment depends on the jobs that you want to take on. The more you take on, the more you'll be doing, but you needn't be overwhelmed by trustee duties. You are also welcome to join us as an observer prior to becoming a trustee if you wanted to have a feel of what it's like before you made a formal decision.


Failing that, come to the AGM/EGM where your views about all of this can be heard.

In sadness,

LJ on behalf of the trustees

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Why does it have to get so damn complicated?

Why does it have to get so damn complicated?

I’ve always thought of myself as “people person”. Indeed in my application for my counselling course, way back, I wrote: “I am exceptionally interested in people, who they are, and who they might become. I have always worked in jobs that involve a lot of interaction with people of all ages and backgrounds. I have worked as a Care Worker, Teacher, Education Welfare Officer and Child Development Instructor. I hope that I have learnt many things from each of the people that I have come across in my life. I have also learnt never to make assumptions based on pre-conceptions; people nearly always surprise you and often prove you quite wrong.”  Yet, nowadays, I find myself shying away from interacting with other counsellors, particularly in big groups (I do wonder what the term is for a big group of counsellors). As an individual in private practice in North Staffordshire, you would think that I would seek out the succour and support of my fellow colleagues and professionals and, yet, I find that I don’t want to.

Why so? This change in my behaviour confuses me; various thoughts wander through my mind and I wonder ‘why so’? To take this morning as an example Onlinevents* put on an event to discuss the new BACP Ethical Framework for the Counselling Professions*: Before too long I was resembling my 9 year old, when we’re enforcing school reading book time of an evening. I was sighing, disengaged and grumpy. Once again, I found myself thinking: why does it have to get so damn complicated?

Before you let loose a hail of emails, tweets and comments – yes, I know we need to be qualified professionals with conscience, integrity and honour. I know that there need to be rules, and we need to accountable and responsible. I am not dismissing any of that. It’s just, well, often I feel that the actual counselling with the actual client somehow gets lost in the research, theory, debate and rhetoric.  One of my favourite quotes from my course is from Jung:

“Learn your theories as well as you can, but put them aside when you touch the miracle of the living soul” (Jung 1928, p.372)

I feel that I am a bit like the Cuprinol of counselling: I do what it says on the tin.  On my website I say: “I would like to offer you a safe, confidential, professional space that is yours and yours alone. You can turn off the filter, and say it how it really is.” and I like to think that, within reason and to the best of my ability, that’s what I do. Again, before everyone’s fingers get twitchy, I am well aware of ethics, theories and a plethora of possible tools, but they are there discreetly, yet constantly; there should I or the client feel that we need to bring them onto central stage, for the most part being a quiet supportive chorus underpinning the session, but not being the focal point. In my opinion, although it seems others got there before me:  “The actual contact between a counsellor and a person who is seeking help lies at the heart of what counselling is about” (McLeod 2011, p.390)

Most days, I feel that I apply myself to being in the counselling room with my clients very well. At the end of each day, I am reasonably happy that I have acquitted my role in a manner that I am content with. Obviously, I attend supervision regularly and discuss anything and everything that I feel at all unsure or unhappy about with my very reliable, and I’m sure long suffering, patient supervisor. The vast majority of the time client feedback is positive; clearly not 100% of the time, as I too am human and have my faults. I agree with those that think there is not enough time spent with clients discussing their experiences of their sessions in counselling, and that often we as counsellors can experience sessions quite differently than the client does. Sometimes we can feel a session was awful, whereas the client might feel that the session was useful, and vice versa.

So, why, I continue to ask myself, do I become uneasy, and sometimes even overwhelmed when reading, listening or talking to or with other counsellors. On further reflection, there are elements of Imposter Syndrome*, thoughts and anxiety around being a 'good enough'* therapist. Yes that’s all there, but again the thought resounds ‘Why does it have to get so damn complicated?’.

For example: A couple of years ago I was approached by a healthcare company wanting to send me clients. I went onto a Facebook page for counsellors, and asked if anyone knew the company, and had they worked with them; were they OK? Another counsellor asked if I had always been this defensive, and did I need to look at this in my therapy sessions? No, I wasn’t being defensive; I didn’t need therapy (my supervisor concurred). Quite simply I was just being careful (I left the Facebook page, as I felt that the comment was a tad too personal to be on a public space, and asked by someone who did not know me or my circumstances)

Whilst at University, studying to be a counsellor, I noticed that there were some students who loved the research, and the theories. They adored debating and exploring everything, down to its finest nuance. Whereas I am a very practical, a bit gobby, a bit blunt, a very realistic counsellor. I love being in the counselling room and being with clients, holding the space for them to explore and, hopefully, if that’s what they would like to do, to heal and grow - maybe? Indeed, I often say that I am not academic; I am not an expert. Clients sometimes look shocked at this. I hope that I am real; I am human, and I hope that by being with, and meeting with my clients where they are, and who they are at that time, that we can work towards what it is that they feel that they need.

I am not talking down the academics, the researchers, the thinkers, the debaters; they are very much needed (without being too political here. As a profession we do need evidence based research to prove what we do). I just feel that the do-ers, like me, could sometimes become lost in the throng. I feel that my voice isn’t heard; I don’t feel part of my professional organisation. I am aware that I struggle to be a part of the thing, because I do what I do and I think ‘Why does it have to get so damn complicated?’.

I find solace in a quote I found: This is my way of being. I do it like this because this is who I am. Woe betide you if you try to be like me. Be like yourself” (Rogers, cited by Merry in Keys, 2003, p.175).

So, maybe I should continue to be like myself… and, maybe, it doesn’t have to be so complicated.

Mind how you go.

Neroli Oakley 

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There will be a new blog post about this shortly.





Hi all,


Our conference details are now up and bookings are being taken! Book now to secure your places! Early bird entries are now being taken and we have bursaries available for those who wish to apply. These are popular, so please ask us asap if you'd like to take one of these up. Please don't be afraid to ask - if you don't ask, we can't give you one.



Prices: Early bird: before 18th June. Full cost: booked after 18th June (please scroll down if the prices aren't immediately visible).

Full delegate Early bird member Early bird non-member Full cost member Full cost non-member
Attending whole conference with accommodation £418 £468 £448 £518
Full delegate: camper (attending using own tent) £199 £245 £245 £285
Accommodation: One day, one night (including three meals) Thurs/fri/sat £160 £160 £160 £160
As above, but camping £99 £99 £99 £99
Camping Sat 1300-Sun 1300 £99 £99 £99 £99
Day rate thurs/fri/sat (includes lunch) £34 £45 £56 £60
Day rate Sunday (includes take-away lunch) £30 £34 £34 £38

For queries and to book your place for the conference please call Di on 01600 891508

BAPCA Bursaries (for members only) 

BAPCA has five bursaries of £200 to offer members who would otherwise struggle to pay the price to attend the full conference – i.e. those working as a person-centred counsellor for nothing.  If you would like to apply for one these bursaries please contact [email protected] 

Call for conference workshop facilitators

If, at the conference, you would like to:

A bit about Shropshire...

Welcome to Shropshire, one of England’s last remaining rural idylls. Here you will find the medieval county town of Shrewsbury, the birthplace of that evolutionary thinker Charles Darwin; Ironbridge saw the birth of the Industrial Revolution and is now a World Heritage Site, whilst Much Wenlock was the very inspiration for the Modern Olympic Games. To find out more about Shropshire go to www.visitshropshire.com. We are sure that attending the BAPCA conference in Shropshire will leave you suitably inspired too.


BAPCA person-centered conference! Further details below. Please call the lovely Di on 01600 891508 to pay. Installments and bursaries available. Please contact us for further details: [email protected]

Conference details:

11am: Arrival and welcome
2pm: Divine Charura and Stephen Paul - What's love got to do with it? A person-centered perspective
PM: workshops (PM if you have any workshop ideas)
Eve: workshops (PM if you have any workshop ideas)

9am: Morning community
10am: Workshops (PM if you have any workshop ideas)
11.30am: Andrew Miles - person-centered health care - what it is and what it isn't
Evening: BAPCA's social evening - open mic night

Community day - a day of encounter
Evening: workshops.
Daytime: option for any adhoc workshops desired.

9am: Morning community
11am: Trish Hobman - Relational narrative: meaning and impact for experienced counsellors
12:15: final community

Current suggested workshop offers:
Ethically non-monogamous relationships
Hypnotherapy and the PCA
Person-centred approach and humanist pastoral care
How should BAPCA deal with complaints?

Please email [email protected] with your ideas - the above list is a list of suggestions only.


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Second annual student competition!

Hi all,


It's time for the second annual BAPCA student competition. We have three first prizes of a year's free membership to BAPCA and three second prizes of a year's half price membership to BAPCA. The competition is open to students and trainees at any level (from level two through to masters') who have not been BAPCA members before.


The competition deadline is November 17th at midnight. The entries will then be judged and winners announced in January, with memberships running from February for a year.


What do you get if you win?

A year's free membership. This will give you four issues of the BAPCA magazine for a year, and four issues of Person-centered and experiential psychotherapy a year. It will also give you reduced entry to any BAPCA encounter days (one has run so far this year and we hope to run another in the autumn).

Your essay published in a special edition of our BAPCA magazine and on the BAPCA blog. 


The competition this year has two questions. Please PICK ONE! We know that some people prefer more in the ways of theory and some people prefer less, so we hope that one of these will suit most people. We are asking for 1500 words. You do not need to provide references, but if you do provide them, you just need to be consistent (if you're at an insitution that uses referencing, please feel free to follow their guide).


Pick one:

The person-centered approach and issues of power in groups?

Trust between the client and the person-centered practitioner


Essays to [email protected] by 17th November. Please also feel free to ask any questions to the same address!



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Staying alive (apologies for your ear worm)


Dear all,
It has reached our ears that some people are concerned that BAPCA might be folding at the conference and thus it might not be worth coming/signing up to BAPCA. We want to assure you that this is definitely not the case!
We were in need of a new treasurer and a new chair, and we could not legally continue without a treasurer, although we do not legally need a chair. We have been very fortunate to have Lindsay van Dijk volunteer for the treasurer role. She is currently co-opted and hopes to be voted in fully at the conference. This means that the future of BAPCA is secured. In the rare possibility that Lindsay wasn't voted in, she would remain co-opted until/unless someone else was voted in. So. In short, we are not folding!
As for the role of chair (convenor), this is not a legal requirement, and if the trustees/CG so chose, we could either 'job-share' the role, or someone from within the trustees/CG can be nominated for the role from inside the CG (this is what happened last time, with Marc). We would also welcome applications for the role from current members. One of the things that people often mention amongst themselves is that the CG are insular. The CG would absolutely appreciate anyone volunteering to join us. We have spaces available and jobs that would love to be filled, and if you fancy spending a couple of hours a month making a small amount of person-centred difference, please, let us know!
We are really pleased by the theme for this year's conference and have worked hard to get our speakers. We have spaces open for workshops, and hope that people will sign up, come along, and have a good time.
What you waiting for?For further information click here, or give Di a call to book on: 01600 891508

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PhD opportunity

Dear all,

The university of Roehampton has a PhD opportunity. The information is as below:


Here at the Centre for Research in Social and Psychological Transformation we're delighted to be offering a fully funded PhD to help us develop humanistic/person-centred therapy for unwelcome experiences of presence in grief .

This opportunity would be ideal for any qualified humanistic/person-centred therapists that are interested in developing alternatives to the medical model when working with distressing/hostile voices, and/or grief.

Details may be found here:


Please forward this anyone you think may be interested in applying.

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